Approaching a shining future or cowering into the Dark Ages?
Of course this week has been pretty bittersweet, having an enormous victory at the same time as major setbacks. At the very least, we will have a Democrat in the White House that is at least willing to recognize that the nation contains all kinds of people and they are deserving of equal rights. Sadly, many of the same people who voted for that candidate don’t feel the same way.
First the “funny, but sad and true” from The Foggy Dew, WTF California?:
Are you seriously kidding me?
California voters outlawed gay marriage yesterday, but approved a ballot measure giving egg-laying chickens more rights.
cheap blue guitar wrote a very nice entry on it as well, pointing out that $73 million dollars were raised by both Prop 8 camps. Unconstitutional:
I have a message for all who supported California’s Proposition 8, Arizona’s Proposition 102 and Florida’s Proposition 2.
Gay marriage will happen.
It is going to be reality and there is nothing — NOTHING — you can do to stop it. You can spend all the money you have and tell all the lies you want to slow it down, but mark my words, one day, every citizen in this country – gay or straight – will have equal rights for all. Every single one of us.
It will happen.
I had a difficult time dealing with my anger over both McCain voters and those that voted against gay marriage, also single/unmarried-couple adoption in Arkansas. That last one kills me, actually. Close-minded straight people are pleased to take rights away from “their own people” as collateral damage to make sure those horrible nasty gays can’t adopt. It’s one of the reasons that I don’t like to ask what or who people are voting for and if they do tell me, they’d better be able to tell me why. There’s no question that in the presidential election there really were two Americas. Just take a look at the crowds at both McCain’s and Obama’s receptions/celebrations and you’ll see that. And I know that there are closed-minded liberals and open-minded conservatives, but it is really hard for me to reconcile the number of people voting for change that are saying “Um, we didn’t mean that sort of change, sorry!”
Count Four mentions that there’s a lot of anger being expressed by the GLBT community at the minority population that turned out in record numbers to vote Democratic, but also had the side-detriment of voting down gay marriage. While I can understand that anger, it’s not a good place for us to go. In addition to leaving people like me between a rock and a hard place.
In an interview that aired a few days before the election, Obama did reiterate that he believes marriage is between a man and a woman and is not in favor of gay marriage. But he also said the following regarding his opposition to California’s Prop 8:
[W]hen you start playing around with constitutions, just to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that’s not what America’s about.
Usually, our constitutions expand liberties, they don’t contract them.
I would not expect him to pass sweeping laws allowing gay marriage, but the above statement tells me that he recognizes that just because he believes something, that doesn’t mean he would vote to enforce those beliefs on others. It’s really not that hard a mental leap to make.
I wonder how many politicians would voice support for gay marriage if they saw more acceptance voiced by the general (voting) population. I’m thinking a lot more.
It astounds me that California displayed this level of ignorance. Sad.
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Someone I work with pointed out that in California there’s a very large Hispanic population. While they do tend to lean Democratic, most of them are also very loyal Catholics. Add that in to the homophobia that abounds in the general population, and you’ve got a recipe for the results that we saw. Doesn’t make it right, but I think it helps to explain it.
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@lacochran: I think too many politicians still fear that “moral” base populated by the conservative, religious and family values voters. Queer rights and anything else that someone can point to the Bible and say “that’s wrong!” will get them motivated and nearly no politician will go against that.
@Gilahi: Unfortunately the minority population that was motivated to get out and vote by the Democrats, especially Latinos in CA, is pretty much directly responsible for those “Yes on 8” votes. I understand why, but it sucks that one minority votes to remove rights from another.
This whole issue has me seeing red. It’s my state and it’s my rights they’ve frakked with. Doesn’t matter if I want to or ever plan to get married. My right to make a choice is taken away.
As for the minorities, I’m not really upset with them. I more or less see it as a failure of Prop 8 opponents to reach minorities and impress upon them that it’s a civil rights issue. As for gays who’d strike back and withdraw support of minority rights, it’s stupid as Count 4 points out. I guess for some people, they never think about these things until it’s “Me, Me, Me.”
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We are living during an interesting time in our history. It’ll be interesting to see how it all pans out.
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